Republican presidential hopeful Cary Fiorina was widely declared the winner of the undercard Fox News GOP debate. Afterward, she spoke with MSNBC host Chris Matthews, who took exception to the fact that Fiorina called likely Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton a liar. Fiorina, however, did not back down — and further explained exactly what she believes Clinton lied about:
CHRIS MATTHEWS: How do you debate someone you just called a liar? Do you just begin a debate with I don’t believe a word you say? You’re a dishonest person? Having worked in Washington all these years. You say it is not common sense. Do you really think that’s a way to engage in a debate? To call your opponent a liar? I’m astounded by that judgment.
CARLY FIORINA First I was very specific about the subjects about which I think she has lied. I didn’t say she lied about everything. I was very specific. Very fact based, actually. You are the one who has made a generalized comment now about her. Not me. Secondly, I will debate her. Excuse me. Secondly, I will debate her —
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Go through your list. Go through your list of where she’s lied.
CARLY FIORINA: Benghazi, e-mail and server. I will debate her on the issues facing this nation. I will debate her on her positions. I will ask her, for example, how she can possibly continue to defend Planned Parenthood. I will ask her why she continues to say she is a champion of the middle class while every single proposal she has put forward makes crony capitalism worse and worse and worse which makes income inequality worse.
I would ask her why she declared victory in Iraq in 2011. Why she called Bashar al-Assad a positive reformer. Why she thought she could stop Vladimir Putin’s with a gimmicky button. I will asker why she got every policy wrong as Secretary of State. That’s how I’ll debate her. On the issues.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let me put a fine point on that. How did she lie, as you put it, about Benghazi? Where was her lie?
CARLY FIORINA: : Okay. It is very clear from all the data, it is very clear from the data, from the e-mails that she, that the president of the United States, that the Secretary of State, and that the military understood this was a purposeful terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 and they understood it while it was going on.
So tell me then why would you talk about the next day from the State Department, why would you talk about a video? Why would you explain that this is not America? Why would you stand over the bodies of the fallen and say it again? Why not come out and say, this was a purposeful terrorist attack on our embassy. Four brave Americans were killed and we are going to seek retribution.
CHRIS MATTHEWS: I see why you stood out tonight.