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Maybe we’ll have a female president after all

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Maybe we’ll have a female president after all

Republican presidential candidate, businesswoman Carly Fiorina addresses the 2016 Mackinac Republican Leadership Conference, Saturday, Sept. 19, 2015, in Mackinac Island, Mich. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

Republican presidential candidate, businesswoman Carly Fiorina addresses the 2016 Mackinac Republican Leadership Conference, Saturday, Sept. 19, 2015, in Mackinac Island, Mich. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

In 2013, the first musings began about who might become the next president. At that time, U.S. News & World Report wrote a column entitled “For 2016, remember the women” It foretold the future with respect to the possibility of a female president, but was entirely wrong about who that person might be.

First off, the conventional wisdom was that the Democratic nomination was Hillary Clinton’s for the asking. Plus, the piece completely missed the mark when it speculated about eight women the magazine thought had the bona fides to take on the job.

On the Democratic side (other than Clinton), U.S. News & World Report’s short list included Secretary of Health and Human ServicesKathleen Sebelius, Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis and U.S. Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Kirsten Gillibrand. Well, Sebelius went down in flames over the botched implementation of Obamacare and Solis also resigned under a cloud of controversy. Warren is still on the sidelines and Gillibrand doesn’t seem to be interested.

For the Republicans, the article suggested U.S. Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire and three governors, Mary Fallin of Oklahoma, Nikki Haley from South Carolina and Susana Martinez of New Mexico. Aside from the forgone conclusion that Clinton would be the first woman president, Republicans were thought to have something of an edge among potential female candidates because governors were considered to be outsiders and that was an important qualification for voters who had soured on what the executive and congressional branches of government had or had not accomplished over the past several years. As it turns out, the idea of an “outsider” didn’t mean outside theCapital Beltway; it meant someone who was outside politics altogether.

In 2013, the thought of Donald Trump running for president was relegated to nothing more than a side show, something that would be orchestrated by Trump to gin up self-promotion he craves. Trump was the guy who clearly knows how to play the public relations game and loves the limelight. But beyond that, no one expected Trump to amount to much more than a few sound bites Democrats would use to try and denigrate the Republican Party as a whole. As for Carly Fiorina, even political junkies didn’t have her on their radar screens, and no one knew her name.

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Even a few months ago, Fiorina remained an afterthought. In a July 26 speech, Clinton was attacking the Republicans about what she fictitiously characterizes as a war on women by saying, “Those guys on the other side, and by the way they are all guys last time I checked – Oh no. There is one woman. Sorry, I forgot.”

Well, at the Republican debate Wednesday night, the woman Clinton forgot about spoke up, and the idea that the former secretary of state had some sort of lock on the female vote got blown all to smithereens. Fiorina finally broke through with a debate performance that was nothing less than spectacular. Even Democrats had to concede that she proved herself to be presidential timber. In the post-debate punditry, MSNBC, a reliably left-leaning cable network, compared Fiorina to Margaret Thatcher, the Iron Lady, and perhaps the most respected female political leader of all time. Such a comparison must have sent shivers through the Clinton campaign, dealing what will probably be the death blow to a candidate already fatally wounded by her self-inflicted email scandal.

There are many who have the qualifications to be president. But to actually reach that office, it must also be the right time for the right person, and with the way the winds are blowing this political season, it appears this could be Carly Fiorina’s time.

Reach Bob McWilliams by email at bob@bobmcwilliams.com.

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  • Seldena

    Not if REAL PATRIOTS have anything to do with it! I researched Fiorina–it is not good! Destroyed 2 companies, destroyed many people’s lives and made fun of Boxer when she ran against her. A little HYPOCRITICAL, do ya think? I also read a report that stated she was an Establishment GOP PLANT! Don’t trust Fiorina. She is also for ILLEGALS and liberal Commerce Dept. She is also for ISLAM. Check all this out!!

    • HadEnough

      You are absolutely right, Seldena. I also read where Fiorina was an Establishment GOP Plant. They (GOP) are so Two-Faced and Dishonest, they said they would treat Trump Fairly. Now, they are doing everything they can (with the help of the Liberals, and Biased Media) To Bring Trump Down. I wish people could see how they really are. George Pataki said “If Trump Wins The Nomination, I Won’t Vote For Him.” If Trump Had Said That, The dishonest GOP, the Biased Media and the Liberals Would Be Viciously Attacking Him. But Instead, They Give Pataki A Free Pass. They are Playing Dirty Politics To Try and Bring Trump Down Every Way They Can. They all have made the Election Process Nothing But a JOKE. There’s Nothing FAIR about it, FOR the TRUE, CONSERVATIVE VOTERS. !!!!

    • Franie

      There you go with those lies. Prove your statement!!!

      • Seldena

        I am a Christian Franie and I do not lie. I researched her-if you really want to know-you do your own research. Pay attention to the articles on the Internet- Most of this info was in it. I spend hours researching so I can tell what I find out and make sure it is the truth! Fiorina is not what she seems…

        • Franie

          Well then, if you’re a Christian, you would know that smearing and bearing false witness is a major sin now. You have not gone beyond the surface of your flawed conclusions in researching Carley. Had you done your so called research properly, and comprehended that research, your conclusions would be very different. CEO’s have to make hard decisions every day. When there are fraudulent companies doing business off your brand, action is demanded in rectifying and breaking off those illegal ties.

          • Seldena

            I have only stated,so far, what I have found out about Fiorina. I am still checking her out and I cannot support her. You are what is wrong in elections when you take the word of someone. I never take the word of my minister, I check what God’s word says and I make sure my minister was right. Ever do that? Please don’t be one of those low info voters! This election is too important to vote for gender!!!

          • Franie

            Nice try, Seldena, nice try!! If you’re going to smear any persons name in such a fashion, you’d better know ALL THE FACTS!!!! Not to do so, shows your ‘low info ignorance’!!

            It’s not me that’s what is wrong with elections, it’s people like you ‘poisoning the well’ with your innuendos. Just quit it until you have ALL THE FACTS!!

            P.S. Don’t be the fool who believes everything she reads on the net, newspapers, or in the media. Check your sources for their unmitigated biases. For if you don’t, you, yourself will be guilty of biase!!

          • Seldena

            I DO CHECK EVERYTHING!! I tried to tell others and OBAMA!! I was 100% correct too!

      • Christine Cuneo

        Try GOOGLE it is very simple.

      • sherri palmer

        No one has to prove anything to you, do your own research!

        • Franie

          Then don’t be lying – it’s a cardinal sin you know. Better repent! or else.

    • sherri palmer

      I read that she fired 30,000 workers from Hewlett Packard and outsourced the jobs to china.

      • Seldena

        You are so right! Then she walked away with $85 million while 30,000 went to the unemployment line! –Fortune 500 I hope all those supporting her know that she is an establishment candidate, They have promised her V.P. if Jeb wins. There you go! I have been telling you all–she is not as she seems. I have a friend at CNN says that debate was to get Trump. They allowed Carly to butt in and that was orchestrated. He told me all about that debate. You saw an ad today from her that was on PP. I am totally against them too-but those pictures in her ad were not from PP. So she lied! I am so fed up with LIARS!!

  • William R

    GO TRUMP FOR “PRESIDENT” YOU HAVE MY VOTE, IN THE HEARTLAND OF “OHIO”

  • WILL CASEY PURVIS

    DESTROYED HP. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE FINALLY RECOVERED

    • Seldena

      They announced last week they are laying off thousands ! Guess why? They are going to replace them with HISPANICS-legal or ILLEGAL. This is so wrong.

      • Franie

        Your hatred is shining!

        • Seldena

          I hate no human being. I believe strongly what is right and what is wrong!!

          • Franie

            FYI – it’s WRONG to smear and destroy a persons reputation, especially when you don’t have ALL YOUR FACTS!!

          • Seldena

            I am just stating the facts from sources that know like Fortune 500 and many others. I am not destroying what she has done–I just think she would be as bad as Hillary and Obama!! I am free to have an opinion just as you are!!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Seldena is right Franie. She is as entitled to air her opinion as you are to air yours. Like I said, your sense of justice is so obviously warped beyond belief. People like you are the reason this country is in such sad decline. You think it’s perfectly ok for illegals to come in and take jobs from faithful company employees.

          • Franie

            Seldena is wrong to smear another’s reputation! And I never, never ever said, nor do I think that “it was perfectly ok for illegals to come in and take jobs from faithful company employees”. Both you and Seldena need to go back to school and LEARN to comprehend the written word. How DARE you put words in my mouth, words I never even inferred. Shame on you for your biased and bigoted attitude. You’re what’s wrong with this country!

            You two are so twisted in comprehending the facts of this matter it’s not even funny. It’s people like you two, the low info voters, that are destroying this country not digging deep enough nor comprehending the true facts as to what transpired. It’s easy for you two to spew misinformation and bear false witness against another, isn’t it? Shame on you!!! Shame on both of you!!!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            1st Don’t you EVER insinuate that I’m too illiterate to follow a chain of conversation.

            2nd You’re a liar. You accused Seldena of hate because she decried companies taking jobs from Americans and giving them to Hispanics.

            3rd This is our country, not Mexico’s or any other group that comes in illegally, saps our benefits and takes our jobs without ever contributing a whit.

          • Franie

            You are an idiot, and yes I am telling you that you cannot follow a conversation! How many times have I got to tell you that I never, NEVER, said ANYTHING about taking jobs away from Americans and giving them to illegals, NEVER!!! Quote me!! I Double Dare you, you idiot.

            And yes, I am talking down to you. You and Seldena are shear ignorant, smearing idiots!!!

            This is my country and people like you, Seldena and your ilk are destroying it. You people are the despicable liberals on this site. You two are nothing but trolls smearing people’s reputations.

            Don’t bother me again unless you can BACK UP YOUR LYING, SMEARING MOUTH!!!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            How dare you call me “liberal”!!! I am a strict conservative!!! I don’t believe in gay rights or abortion. I believe in strict traditional interpretation of the U.S. Constitution. I don’t believe in a welfare state that pays women to have kid after kid after kid or that pays able-bodied men and women to refuse work when they’re fully capable. I don’t believe in allowing any illegal alien to stay in our country. I’m for kicking them right back to wherever they came from. I am totally against any and all forms of gun grabbing that the DemonRats love so dearly. I also don’t believe in ANY sexual union outside of marriage between man and woman who are scripturally married.

            I quote you “Your hate is shining.” You said that right after Seldena said, “They announced last week they are laying off thousands ! Guess why?
            They are going to replace them with HISPANICS-legal or ILLEGAL. This is
            so wrong.” Any way you read those two comments, it definitely appears you criticized her for speaking out against giving jobs already held by Americans away to Hispanics. I quoted you, you hateful, arrogant little wench!!! Now tell me I’m lying……..Tell me those aren’t your words: “Your hate is shining.” right after Seldena’s “They announced last week they are laying off thousands ! Guess why? They are going to replace them with HISPANICS-legal or ILLEGAL. This is so wrong.” Deny that……

          • Franie

            Nice try, but you still have not quoted my saying such atrocities. And I stand by my statements…you inferred and you inferred WRONG!! You owe me an apology! I was referring and STATED these companies were overseas. It’s not on me if Seldena hasn’t done her homework and confuses the issues stated in this article.

            YOU ARE AN UNMITIGATED, NON-COMPREHENDING, TWISTED THINKING JACKASS!! And yeah, I do stand by every word I mentioned on this blog!!! AND, you better believe I’m talking DOWN TO YOU! JACKASS!!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            You know what you can kiss, my dear. My life goes on regardless of your little temper fit. Have a nice life….I’ll still be around, so get used to it. I’m like Kudzu and Johnson grass; here to stay. 🙂

          • Franie

            Peace

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            I’ve got your back on this one!!

          • Seldena

            Thank you! That Franie just cannot take the truth!

        • WishIWuzACropDuster

          Not hatred, Franie. A sense of justice and fairness. Illegals have no right to enter our country in the first place. Second, they sure as the devil are not or should not be legally employable in any way without a green card. Third, those who have devoted years of faithful service to a company deserve far better than being fired just to be replaced with illegal aliens. Your sense of right and wrong is obviously warped beyond belief.

          • Franie

            And your sense of comprehending what was said is sorely lacking. And why are you speaking for someone else?

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Because Seldena is my friend. The only reason I need, as if I even have to justify myself to the likes of you.

          • Franie

            You two are troublemaking trolls on this site!! Trolls that take what people say and twist them to their own liking. Neither one of you have comprehended anything I’ve said. Not a thing. I wasn’t talking about companies in this country you idiot. How dare you two infer that I was. Shame on you both!!

            Idiots!! ignorant idiots!! Just like a liberal progressive democrat to twist everything around.

    • Seldena

      Better check that Will…..

      • Franie

        HP has recovered…you better recheck that dear!

  • GlobalThinkTank

    If Fiorina can’t check her facts, or keep her facts straight, about Planned Parenthood and the benefits it offers to many women, then Fiorina is Absolutely not worthy of being president… and I say, she is no better than Hillary Clinton.

    Planned Parenthood is a ruse and distraction from far much greater concerns of today. We Have a Syrian Refugee Crisis that needs Immediate Attention and Much Discussion and Debate over.

    Don’t get caught in in Fiorinas Unfounded Attack on Planned Parenthood; for doing so is an attack on Women… No Differently than the 200,000 Islam Extremest Heading Our Way.

    • Jean

      Agree 110 %. And what is Obama going 2 do with the
      Refugees??

      • sherri palmer

        I hope he stuffs them up his ass.

    • Franie

      Go Carley Fiornia!!!!

  • paul b ahern

    I guess we have some Carly haters. I think she is great. Has my vote and has a face I also like because it looks presidential. Time for change Go Carly !

    • Seldena

      I like Carly, but not for President. I have researched her and she was a terrible CEO and destroyed companies and people’s lives and this is exactly what Obama has done! America has to have a very strong person on other issues–not JUST WOMEN’s issues. Carly made fun of Boxer when she ran against her.I see that as HYPOCRITICAL. The report that came out that she is a GOP plant for the establishment sounds convincing.Something is just not right when she said she would not deport ILLEGALS and that did it for me! You are entitled to your vote. I ask you to research her…

      • Jean

        Really like the way U think, I feel the same about her

        • Seldena

          Thank you Jean. I do research on every candidate as soon as they announce they are in! But I have been researching Clintons for years starting in ARK. Obama since 1995! I care too much for our Free market, our military, and I feel this election is the most important we have had in my life! It will define us in so many ways!!

          • Franie

            I suggest you start comprehending that research and dig a bit deeper as your conclusions are very flawed!!

          • Seldena

            I know very well CEO’s make hard decisions–but to outsource those jobs overseas and take them away from Americans is wrong and it has to stop in America! I just don’t think Carly would make intelligent decisions and put Americans first! If she wants the ILLEGALS,who are criminals, to stay here–that says a lot about her decision making to me. Franie, I am a very educated person. I will not go into all that, but don’t unfairly judge me just because you disagree with me!

          • Franie

            First off, those ‘jobs overseas’ were fraudulent from the get go. There were companies that were hired by other companies, who did business with companies that HP didn’t even know about initially. When they found out, they broke all ties. Dig deeper before spouting innuendos.

            And how about you quoting the source(s) of your innuendos about the illegals. To throw that out is very irresponsible. And NO, I am not going to take my time to do that kind of research as you more than likely ‘heard it through the MSM grapevine’. The MSM is a democratic controlled entity that has proven itself time and again, just how utterly biased they are. They are certainly not to be believed, and if you’re getting your ‘knowledge’ from them, you might just as well quit right now.

          • Seldena

            She said that the other night in the CNN debate! Were you not listening???? NO MSM. Fortune 500… Look it up !!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            When NAFTA was being talked about during the Clinton administration, Ross Perot warned us that if NAFTA was ever signed we’d hear the whoosh of the wind from companies shipping our jobs overseas. He was dead right and yet everyone mocked him like he was a nut. Isn’t that the way of it!! Use propaganda and smear to make people who are dead right look ignorant and uninformed.

        • Franie

          You’re not very well informed now, are you?

          • Jean

            And I bet ur voting for the liar Hillary ! U need 2 do a lot more Research ….

          • Franie

            You should never ASS-U-ME!!! Hilary is a piece of human debris.

          • Jean

            Franie, so glad we agree on something! 🙂

      • freedomoutpost ken

        Don’t be doped by the media, neither Hillary or Fiorina is capable of handling the JOB, unless you want more of the last 6 plus years.

      • Franie

        The companies that she destroyed, were companies that were fraudulently doing business with HP. Shame on you for coming to your FLAWED and INCOMPLETE CONCLUSIONS. You have a lot more research to be done and I suggest you UNDERSTAND what you’re reading!!!!

    • Pamela Gilliam Haber

      As Seldena stated, I too did a 3 hour search and read session a month ago on Carly Fiorina after the first debate. What I found is ditto to Seldena on the CEO and failure of several major companies, but the true nature of this woman is in her speeches. One in particular very shortly after 9/11/01 where she is talking about how she is very sympathetic to the MUSLIMS!!!!!!!!!!!! So I BEG EACH AND EVERY PERSON OUT THERE TO VET THIS CALIFORNIA LIBERAL!!!!!!! B E F O R E W E H A V E YET A N O T H E R I N O F F I C E S I M P L Y B E C A U S E T H A T P E R S O N M I G H T B E BLACK O R A WOMAN!!!!! PLEASE,,,,,I beg you to do your due diligence and pass the word on this candidate. Thank you

      • paul b ahern

        Thank you and Seldena. I will do more due diligence.

      • Franie

        You and Seldena have failed miserably in coming to your conclusions on those failed companies!!! HP had been doing business with an oversees company who, unbeknownst to HP at that time, were doing business with another company who was doing business with yet another company. When there was major fraud found out by HP, it was Carley’s job to root out that fraud and rectify it, otherwise HP would have been taken down. A CEO’s job is not easy, and both of you failed to understand this in coming to your FLAWED conclusions. Shame on you both for negating the true FACTS and smearing a fine candidate who has the intelligence and experience to actually run this country!!!

        • Seldena

          Franie- Have you done your research on the vending Fiorina did while at these companies? I just finished reading a Fortune 500 article on Fiorina and they explain exactly the mess she left both companies, BUT she left with $65 MILLION from Lucent and 85 MILLION from HP. Flawed in my opinion of her, I do not think so!!

      • WishIWuzACropDuster

        I agree with you, Pamela!! Neither gender nor skin color alone should ever decide an election. It has far too many times in Memphis. It’s predominantly black and they seem to vote solely on the politician’s skin color.

      • 😈 FIREBRED

        Carly is a femnutz slimeball, sympathetic to muzzies, because she
        could well use their burka fashion … just look at that cuteface;
        surely not a Cover Girl material – butt fugly & it screams
        out loud – “MERCY ME, COVER ME UP, PLEASE!”

    • Franie

      Carley is also very intelligent, something that Hillary sorely lacks!!

  • dan9el

    The topic is quite interesting indeed;…..some say….Ms Fiorina…..others, Ms Clinton….the galaxy only knows ???

    Hillary Clinton could be allocated in the presidential platform as long the American public continues the ignorance status-quo ….which in large part was strong factor for the allocation in the presidential platform for Barack Obama.

    Well,…the lady has her followers of course,…and yet… she will have to face certain factors in the process for
    presidency….although we all know that bribe, intimidation, illegal practices ….total massive fraud, are events to take place during her campaign, for that is the way of the liberal-democrats factions;….after all, that is the way the so called ‘president’ (Mr Barack Obama) did get his ill-acquired presidential platform.

    Ms Hillary Clinton may be the next president for this country , indeed;…..there is no tell what could happen if the dynamics will repeat as they were on 2008 and repeated on 2012.

    In fact, everyone out there can see , very clear, that the lady is a formidable representative of a 21st century politician. Ms Hillary Clinton has all the characteristics to be expected in the nowadays modern politician,….no doubt about that.

    Some of these characteristics (or attributes) are;….Greed, Selfish, unpatriotic, strong tendency to be pathetic pathological liar…among others factors. Correct so far?

    Let’s go slightly further;….

    We should not and cannot expect the GOP be able to produce a candidate powerful enough to defeat Hillary Clinton for presidency.

    The internal battle they have for power makes all of them weak,…no matter how good the public (and themselves) think any of them are.

    Quite frankly, if everyone out there look and analyzes closely and carefully , soon it will come to realization that the GOP is not prepared to issue a true-core authentic people’s candidate that represents any Joe and Jane in the American public.

    Who are the champions from the GOP?
    Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul , Ted Cruz,…and so others…..so far…..RINO’s!. a real one is not yet in sight, ;…..and yet, hated by the RINOs and their supporters , Donald Trump emerges,….a different breed…someone talking as the average Joe and Jane would do….no fear, no pretenses, no asterisks, no fine print…just plain and simple, just like Sarah Palin , who is hated by those RINOs as well.

    And that is what the republicans are offering to the american electorate….RINO’s!….the GOP is blocking as always the true real-core conservative representatives of any Joe and Jane out here….just as they did successfully on 2012 when they put ahead the flimsy Romney in order to aid the ‘re-election’ of / for the Mombasa-Kenya man, Mr Barack Obama,….the so called,….’president’.

    And everyone out there know so well about who I am talking about.

    If Hillary Clinton face to debate Gov Sarah Palin,….the scenario will be quite like a Fourth of July

    So, on basis of Hillary Clinton;….which one?

    Hillary for president….
    https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+for+president&espv=2&biw=1512&bih=710&site=webhp&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CEUQs

    or…..

    Hillary for prison…
    https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+for+prison&espv=2&biw=1512&bih=710&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCkQsARqFQoTCMSgv7Pd08cCFcF0PgodZrIGHA&dpr=0.9

    http://hillaryforprison.net/
    Perhaps someone out there can say something about the others ladies inside or related to the political arena…..anyone turns now.

    Input anyone?

  • freedomoutpost ken

    I hope not this one, may be close to as bad as Hillary.

    • Franie

      Go Carley, uh huh!!!!

      • Christine Cuneo

        Your a idiot.

        • Franie

          And how would you know that? You’re just another liberal democrat that knows nothing, but yet, throws out insults with no intelligence between those ears of yours. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

          P.S. Just your three word sentence says volumes about your intellect. Tsk, tsk, tsk! You’re a joke.

          • Christine Cuneo

            I am 100% conservative. And The RINO Carly Fiorina is not worth the paper or ink on a ballet.

          • freedomoutpost ken

            Exactly.

          • Franie

            Carley is NOT a Rino!! Hell, she hasn’t even held a political office you ignorant!! Why would you even say that?? Are you saying that and hoping it’ll stick to the wall? Geez, you are ignorant.

          • Christine Cuneo
          • Christine Cuneo

            Idiot

          • Christine Cuneo

            And your still an idiot.

  • freedomoutpost ken

    There are much better female choices than Hillary and Fiorina.

    • Franie

      Go Carley Fiorina!!!

      • freedomoutpost ken

        Fiorina is the liberals hope to help get Hillary elected.

        • Franie

          Ahh, you mean Fiorina will run circles around that incompetent, conniving, lying, stealing, cheating joke by the name of Hillary, don’t you?

  • Christine Cuneo

    No true American Republican will vote for this RINO in a dress.

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