2nd Amendment, Issues

Surplus M1 Garands to soon be available to the public


Photo: U.S. Navy

Your 2017 Christmas shopping just got easier. A government cache of 86,000 M1 Garand rifles will soon be available to the public through the Civilian Marksmanship Program:

The Civilian Marksmanship Program advises the Army could soon hand over a large stock of historically significant M1 rifles.

A post on an M1 Garand collectors group on Friday mentioned a group of loaned rifles coming in from the Philippines was being processed by the U.S. Army for shipment back to the states. Mark Johnson, CMP’s chief operating officer, did not confirm the country of origin but did tell Guns.com that a large group of rifles may indeed be headed home and could end up in the organization’s hands.

”There are 86,000 or so M1’s hopefully coming back to the Army,” said Johnson. “We hope to see them in the future.”

In 2010, the Obama administration repeatedly blocked bringing surplus donated military rifles back from overseas allies. Due to this, the most common variants of the highly collectible M1 Garand rifle have sold out in the last two years.


    If still in cosmoline and wrapped in dark green transparent (due to oil) wrapping, I have to have one.


    The army fielded three GREAT rifles in the last century. The M1903 Springfield, the Garand M1, and the M14. I am fortunate to own one of each and never felt the need for an M16 (or AR15). All of these are really powerful firearms that outperform any other military rifle I know of…and after decades as an army officer, that’s close to ALL of them. M16 thru the current M4 is basically a carbine. The M1 Carbine is a fair carbine, but it faded away BECAUSE it is a carbine with INFERIOR stopping ability. You should note that the M14 rifle is being brought back into service with the army because the M4 isn’t stopping the bad guys…and because the enemy’s current tactics are to attack American forces from outside the range of the M4. A military ‘DUH’ moment. If you can find a GOOD M1, you need it. If you can’t handle a real man’s recoil, stay away from it. If you buy one, watch out for a condition known as “M1 Thumb”. If you don’t know what that is, you may be doomed to find out.

    • Kevin

      All too true, but you have to admit that under the right circumstances, there are always exceptions. Custer lost at the Little Big Horn (probably) mostly because he had longer range, more powerful weapons (and yes, they were also single-shots), but the Indians had repeating rifles (Winchester Model 1866s and Henry’s). Their range was shorter, but they used the terrain to sneak up on Custer’s men up the side of that hill, using the tall grass as cover. This diminished the tactical advantage of longer range. And, with more rapid-fire weapons (and the fact that they outnumbered Custer’s men by probably 10-1), they won the battle. In more level, open country, Custer would have had a much better chance. He would also have had a better chance had he brought with him the Gatling gun he had access to. But, he feared they would have slowed him down, and he was a mobile cavalry officer…


        I agree with your assessment of Brevet General Custer’s demise. His greatest enemy was apparently his own arrogance if not over-confidence. The Sioux indeed sported repeating rifles which were oddly shunned by the Ordnance Department during the Civil War. That did indeed give them that thing called ‘Firepower Superiority’ but no range superiority. Wouldn’t it be great to have BOTH? I am very fortunate to have had the opportunity to qualify as an expert marksman with nearly every military rifle and pistol made since 1903. Many of these weapons would malfunction after 4 or 5 rounds. Notable exceptions were the M1903, M1, M14, M1928 Thompson, and the M1911A1. I personally examined M16’s with a cleaning rod stuck down the barrel in an effort to clear a jam, by the hundreds, that were found next to a dead soldier in Viet Nam. M16’s were modified as a result to become M16A1. The cured most, but not all of the problems. I appreciate the chance to share views with you Kevin. I do think the M4 is a good military rifle except for range. This is causing soldier deaths in Afghanistan and the M14 is being brought back as a temporary measure to fill the gap until the scheduled ordnance ballistics search in 2020.

        • Kevin

          Very interesting info! And, Thank You for your service to our country!

    • DWRiding

      SW ~ I like the M-1 as well, but I fought and killed with an M-16 & think that it does a fine job… Not every shot is a mile away on the plains of Europe… Since you were an officer, I question why you ever had to use any of the rifles you’re so fond of… Good tactics would suggest that you ought to be directing the orchestra, not playing the trombone… As the nature of our technology changes, ( Optics come to mind ? ) the need for a battle rifle – in my humble opinion – has dropped precipitously…
      ~ Best Regards


        Your observations are perfectly sound and valid. I agree that the AR15 platform does a good job…if the enemy comes within range. I was indeed an officer…an ordnance officer, so weapons, including testing and development was my business…including Nuclear Weapons. Optics are great, but years of testing in all light conditions show that a man with iron sights can, on average, acquire a target faster. At carbine ranges, optics (other than night vision) are probably not warranted. Still, I respect your opinion.

        • DWRiding

          I used the M-16 with ‘iron sights’ in combat, but I can aquire faster, and hit better with a red dot sight by at least a third… The effective range for the M-4, which I am NOT experienced with, is said to be ~ 500 yards… 5 football fields ! – The tip of my front post would cover the whole man at that distance… I don’t think I was EVER that good !
          If you were in ordinance, did you ever see a microwave gun ??? One was demonstrated to our group in 1970… It killed a goat at around 225 yards… cerebral hemorrhage… I’ve never seen it deployed or even talked about since…

  • Kevin

    Previous shipments of loaned M1s were blocked by the Obongo administration, but I read it was Secretary of State Clinton who actually signed the papers implementing the block. I’m sure this most recent news does not sit well with the Hildebeast … oh well!

    • DWRiding

      I don’t think she’s ‘sitting well’ at all these days… I hear she was diagnosed with a major case of ‘butt hurt’ !!!

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